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Post by Sue on Nov 29, 2005 10:37:24 GMT -5
I'll be nice when you tell Cenk to quit repeatedly making racist statements, Tara.
Maybe you do not care because you are not white--but some of us are annoyed at his constant nasty behavior and statements directed at and meant to promote negative reactions in the members of this forum who are white.
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Post by Sue on Nov 29, 2005 10:54:13 GMT -5
Because of historical racist use of Aryan, and especially use of Aryan race in connection with the myths and propaganda of Nazism, the word is sometimes avoided as being tainted. Similarly to the swastika symbol, which, having been found in ancient Iranian archeological sites, was chosen by Hitler for its perceived Aryan significance. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AryanI wonder, Tara.....would you allow a white supremacist to post the word "black person" all over this forum? Would that be ok? I seriously doubt it.
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Post by Sue on Nov 29, 2005 12:53:05 GMT -5
But wait, I'm not finished! Since I do not think that you realize the magnitude of such blatant racism--I will provide an example of how Cenk's post's would look if they were targeted towards "black" people: (********NOTE: these are not my views***********) I think that niggers are some of the most BLOOD-THIRSTY people in all of America! And even Africa! Maybe even the whole world! Just let the following evidence speak for itself: There are currently fifteen African countries involved in war, or are experiencing post-war conflict and tension. In West Africa, the countries include Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, and Togo. In East Africa, the countries include Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Uganda. In Central Africa, the countries include Burundi, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Rwanda. In North Africa, the country is Algeria and in South Africa, the countries include Angola and Zimbabwe. Source: www.africasunnews.com/wars.htmlThe fact is that while blacks make up only twelve percentof the population, they account for than 46% of total violent crime and over 90% of the murders of blacks. It is they, not whites or gun manufacturers, who are responsible for the disproportionate gun deaths of young black males. A gun—do I really have to spell this out?—is an inanimate object. It takes a human brain to pull the trigger. Firearms don’t kill people. Sociopaths do. If young black males abuse firearms in an irresponsible and criminal fashion, why should the firearm industry be held accountable? Why not their parents? Why not themselves? Source: www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=1177Although Americans most often think of "hate crimes" as acts by whites against racial minorities -- such as last year's killing of James Byrd in Texas by three white ex-convicts -- the majority of violent crime across racial lines are committed by blacks against whites, the study finds. Black-on-white crimes were almost nine times as frequent as white-on-black crimes, the study reports. "Hate crimes are thought to be the most serious acts of interracial crime . . . but it is likely that the millions of ordinary interracial crimes -- 90 percent of which are committed by blacks against whites -- are more damaging to race relations," the study concludes. Source: home.att.net/~r.s.mccain/hatecrimes.htmlAGAIN!!!!! Niggers are so VIOLENT! How can anyone deny these facts?!?! Oh-but no offence meant towards black people.******************************************** Sorry, Tara, but I seriously doubt you would think such language towards black members on this forum is acceptable. And this is exactly what Cenk has managed to pull off towards white members. The majority of his posts target "Aryans" and all of their *evil* acts. Do I expect you to ban Cenk from the forum? No, I don't care. Just don't point your finger at me and instruct *me* to be nice (then go off and delete my thread on apostates as you did in the Islam forum). What do I expect? I expect you not to expect white people to sit back and be "nice" when racist remarks are being fired. We are obviously left to retaliate since you think such statements are respectable--and do nothing. Cenk can make all of the racist remarks he wants, and continuously list all the crimes the "Aryans" have committed. But it is therefore perfectly acceptable for me to point out that they were "under the influence of Islam". I mean after all--maybe that is the uniting factor behind such violent action.
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Post by cenk on Nov 29, 2005 15:34:41 GMT -5
Oh but wait, Cenk--perhaps the Aryans were just under the influence of your *evil* religion. Ever think about that? Why point out that they were Aryans? Why not point out that they were under the influence of Islam? I guess you were too stupid to figure out what I was getting at the first time. Oh I see thats what you have really been thinking about Islam. Islam the "*evil*" religion. Although the thing is my point about Whites and Aryans is that what they did was to other races, it was racism. When I go to the "*evil*" mosque I see Whites, Blacks, Orientals, etc... they stand side by side, shoulder to shoulder. Islam got rid of racism. Although in the UK church attendence is low (lower than 5%) and churches are being replaced by mosques and cinemas etc... Should I give you alittle brief on history. After the Christian Spanish expelled and commited Genocide against the Muslim Moors and the Jews. Oh this was in Spain, Spain was under "*evil*" Muslim rule it was the most tolerant and advanced place in the world. Well anyways after the Christians committed Genocide against the North African Muslims and the Jews. Columbus accidently discovered America, he had many Muslims and Jews in his crew. He "discovered" America and as Spain was ruled by Christians all the blood shed was in the name of Christianity. So the Holocaust of the Native Americans was a Christian crime. You dont want me to list other Christian crimes, give it a rest please. Oh yeah you again post a Hindu/Aryan historian who is obviously going to deny or lie. Hey I can make an estimate the amount of victims of Christianity sword from 0AD to 2000AD is 20 billion! However in the late 1940's the USA had a weapon that they could have used and abused to take near total world power. Well the USA is still today is the only nation ever to use a nuclear bomb on human targets they destroyed two cities, all those (innocent) civilians that lost their lives. To top that off the USA is now complaining about Iran and North Koreas nuclear ambitions sounds like double standards.... Well I am of the opinion that the Aryan/White man has shed more blood than Huns, Arabs, Black or any others. (I am also wandering why you mention Arabs more Arabs have died under Aryan/White oppression than, people actually falling victim to the Arab oppression) That was my whole point in my posts in this thread. I am of the opinion that the White man has caused more death than anyone else! That is my view, my opinion, ok. I'll be nice when you tell Cenk to quit repeatedly making racist statements, Tara. Thats funny when I look in the mirror I look White. One of my friends used to call me Sheep because of my paleness. Because of historical racist use of Aryan I use Aryans because Aryans were those White people that invaded and colonized most of India pushing the Original inhabitants further south. Do you know anything about the Aryan religion of Hinduism? Do you know about the Caste system? darker people got the crap jobs lke cleaning the toilets and lighter people got the better jobs. Oh dont you know that perpetraitors of Genocide always lie and make their victims look like the guilty ones.... Also this forum is a religious forum. I dont go posting websites on why Christians left Christianity. (I could easily but I am not like that)
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Post by Sue on Nov 29, 2005 16:12:39 GMT -5
Cenk: You are a liar, and anyone here with any common sense knows that. So why don't you quit pretending to be a nice person? Also, you can keep twisting my words around all you like--you obviously do the same with yours--because you are a LIAR.
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Post by cenk on Nov 29, 2005 16:14:00 GMT -5
Why am I a liar?
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Post by teancum79 on Nov 29, 2005 16:24:22 GMT -5
So why is the white man evil? Can you back it up? Just saying you think he has killed a lot more than anyone else only means that he did a better job on the battle field. Military might and the typical supply problems sickness etc. stop the Jihad from entering Western Europe not lets all be friends or we respect our neighbors rights ideas. I’m not saying the white guy has been this great ivory tower or morals, but historically I’ve seen nothing to indicate that they have been any more brutal and blood thirsty than their neighbors. Yes they did get better at mass slaughter, but that is simply improvements in ability not a digression in morels. Stop pretending that non whites are supper noble and kind it’s a load and we are not going to buy it.
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Post by cenk on Nov 30, 2005 5:44:04 GMT -5
Sue called me a liar, I would like to know what exactly I "lied" about? So why is the white man evil? Can you back it up? Just saying you think he has killed a lot more than anyone else only means that he did a better job on the battle field. You know I thought you had at least some intelligence before your last sentence. " he has killed a lot more than anyone else only means that he did a better job on the battle field." So where the 95%+ of the Native Americans killed on the battle field? Did those 1.5 million Iraqi civilians (mainly children) die on the battlefield? No they died because the United Slaves of Aryans put inhumain sanctions on Iraq. Also this is another western (orientalist) misinterpretation of Islam. Jihad is not a holy war waged on the "infidels" although some Muslims see it like that as well . Jihad is an Arabic word that means "striving in the way of God." This striving can take a number of forms, including the daily inner struggle to be a better person. However, jihad is often used to refer to an armed struggle fought in defense of Islam. OK. Lets see: Native American Genocide = 100 million dead. Chinese technlogy used. Gunpower, Canons etc...
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Post by moonchain on Nov 30, 2005 11:48:03 GMT -5
There's a lie right there. If Islam got rid of racism, you wouldn't be making so many racist comments (which also includes calling asians "orientals") and if it were Muslim Aryans killing Indians, they were either racist Muslims or were killing in the name of your religion - either choice doesn't spell anything good for your Islam. I actually don't have a problem with most people of the Islamic faith, but you haven't made me warm up to it with your hateful comments.
And you do realize that you aren't proving any of your points to us that we are such evil people, right? We acknowledge the worst of our human nature, but many modern whites are putting an honest effort into making amends. The fact that the U.S. is ruled by idiots isn't our fault. (It really isn't, the Republicans have fixed the system to their benefit - but that's just my liberal conspiracy theory.) All of your posts just seem to be a cry for attention.
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Post by littlepea on Nov 30, 2005 12:09:32 GMT -5
No you dimwit. I am just stating that the Whiteman has killed more people than anyone else. Thats a fact is you dont like it tough. Facts cant be buried. what i took offense to was your statement: then you go on to say: yet what you said before meant "white people are naturally more violent than any other race". that might not have been what you meant by it, but that's what the words say and you wrote it, so you have to answer for it. i completely agree with sue's sentiments of using the word aryan - if you mean white people then say white people, don't try and refer to us as if we see ourselves as a higher race based on nazi philosophy (which i'm sure we all abhor). i also agree with teancum's suggestions so far. if you look at the most barbaric societies these days they're all in africa, right? does that mean that black people are naturally more barbaric? naturally incapable of settling their differences in a civilised manner, even in this day and age? what are you trying to say, cenk? that white people have killed more than any other race throughout history? that might be true, but so what? are you trying to say that this means white people are naturally more violent than any other race? get real ...
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Post by cenk on Nov 30, 2005 13:27:31 GMT -5
There's a lie right there. If Islam got rid of racism, you wouldn't be making so many racist comments (which also includes calling asians "orientals") and if it were Muslim Aryans killing Indians, they were either racist Muslims or were killing in the name of your religion - either choice doesn't spell anything good for your Islam. I actually don't have a problem with most people of the Islamic faith, but you haven't made me warm up to it with your hateful comments. Oh I see your good at twisting it back to me. I am not racist against whites because I'm part white, I dont take offence. Oriental is what I call people from China, Japan, Korea, etc.... I have a South Korean housemate at my uni and I have refered to his people as oriental and then asked him if he took offence and he said no. Also I have never heard that using the word oriental is racist. Also my ancestors were more oriental than white if that counts . I didnt think killing your own people is racist moonchain? They killed not because of religion but because they were barbarians. I'm not here to prove anything. I'm just stating my opinion. Which was backed up by unbiased evidence. Not biased historians. But I can clearly see that you lot have weak nerves.
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Post by cenk on Nov 30, 2005 13:35:39 GMT -5
if you look at the most barbaric societies these days they're all in africa, right? does that mean that black people are naturally more barbaric? naturally incapable of settling their differences in a civilised manner, even in this day and age? No it means that the European (the more civilized person according to you) crimes against humanity has set Africans back in national development by 100's of years. The European (the more civilized people) also set the Native Americans back by more than 10,000 years. I'm saying that white people have killed more people. I'm not saying they are naturally more violent.
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Post by teancum79 on Nov 30, 2005 15:42:53 GMT -5
Cenk I hate to get personal, but sense you started it.
Most of the Native American deaths where caused by unintentional disease. And as far as Iraq lets ask was it the invasions the mass murder the chemical missile attacks launched on innocent people in Israel (even if you hate Jews they are still people) or the we will only trade you food because you are such a jerk policies that was hurting the kids in Iraq.
Get off whatever you are smoking it is frying your brain.
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Post by Tara on Nov 30, 2005 15:48:11 GMT -5
Okay, so I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the posts on here like I'm supposed to. Part of the reason why I didn't mention something earlier was because no one took the time to PM me about it. There are report links everywhere (at the bottom right of each and every post), and not one person said something. I also do not fully read all the posts. I don't have time to keep up. I've got exams coming up and I skim through and read short posts. I haven't even read half of the posts in this thread. So forgive me for being a bit "slow". But seriosuly, we had this discussion already and that's the reason why I added the links.
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Post by cenk on Nov 30, 2005 16:18:55 GMT -5
Most of the Native American deaths where caused by unintentional disease. What the hell are you talkin about. The Native Americans lived in those lands you now call your own for 10,000+ years. American "cowboys were fighting them in the 1890's. You even have a celebration called Columbus day. Why dont you wear black, it should be a day of national mourning. George Washington compared them (Native Americans) to wolves, "beasts of prey" and called for their total destruction. Extermination of all of the surviving natives was urged by the Governor of California officially in 1851. (David E. Stannard, "American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World," Oxford University Press, (1992)) Columbus described the Arawaks -- the Native people in the West Indies -- as timid, artless, free, and generous. He rewarded them with death and slavery. For his second voyage to the Americas, "Columbus took the title 'Admiral of the Ocean Sea' and proceeded to unleash a reign of terror unlike anything seen before or since. When he was finished, eight million Arawaks -- virtually the entire native population of Hispaniola -- had been exterminated by torture, murder, forced labor, starvation, disease and despair." (Peter Montague, "#671 - Columbus Day, 1999," Rachel's Environment & Health News, Environmental Research Foundation, at: www.rachel.org/ you can go to that site and search for Columbus day if you want to read more about it) Why didn't the USA take special precautions colonise areas where there werent any Native Americans. Why didn't they try and protect them, save their lives. Its biological warfare isn't it? Your enemies weakness is your cold so you spread it, on purpose... Please dont even think about trying to deny it...I dont want you to be known as a Genocide denier. You cant even comment on Iraq you have no phunking clue, mate. Iraq never used "chemical missiles" on Israel is that what they teach you in school? The USA could have got rid of Saddam in the first gulf war but they didn't. They imposed inhumain sanctions that resulted in basic medicines that you take for granted being denied for the Iraqi people. They died because of the USA.
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