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Post by teancum79 on Jul 29, 2007 14:01:16 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290660,00.html Apparently Myspace tries to remove some of the sex offenders, but their are 29,000 of them on there. The question I wanted to ask was should the government step in to protect potential victims or should They stay out of it and hope that the companies that make such sites and parents etc. will handle it.
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Post by Amalcas on Jul 29, 2007 22:03:53 GMT -5
The question is: how do you stop them? There really isn't any good way, though individual sites like Myspace might be able to screen users in some fashion, but that would require complex, inefficient algorithms and would probably produce enormous errors.
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Post by dianaholberg on Jul 31, 2007 7:12:49 GMT -5
Castration? Sorry... couldn't resist...
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Post by teancum79 on Jul 31, 2007 9:31:18 GMT -5
Well that is my personal favorite for all sex offenders with the exception of teenagers 1st offense. I figure that some kids are not taught how to stay in control very well and should not face the full punishment given to an adult. However I doubt our society will ever seriously go for it.
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Post by Mestemia on Jul 31, 2007 11:46:17 GMT -5
Castration? Sorry... couldn't resist... Castration often fails to halt offenders Sometimes a good idea is ill-conceived. When I first heard that some states were mandating castration for repeat sex offenders, I thought it was a good idea. If these predators can't control themselves, why not have a doctor do it for them? There was a time when castration was a brutal act of physical mutilation. But now it can be done with a series of injections, or by simply removing the testicles and leaving the rest of the male plumbing intact. Source: www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-09-04-wickham.htm
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Post by dianaholberg on Jul 31, 2007 13:26:25 GMT -5
Castration isn't likely to stop a sex offender from preying on people. It will only change the way these predators go about their crimes. As Florida prosecutor Jerry Burford told the St. Petersburg Times: "I get a lot of people who are impotent that still commit sexual battery. It's not their gonads that cause them to commit sexual battery. It's their heads." Decapitation? ;D Seriously, though, all of this sexual deviancy is the pretty predictable outcome of the whole "free love" upbringing espoused a few decades ago. Our culture is so terribly overly sexually charged that it's hard for me to put all of the blame on the offenders. It's Americans in general (and, increasingly, the world in general) who pay for pornography and enjoy shows on TV with sexual themes more than those without and allow their children to dress provocatively. The best way to stop most sexual offenders is to raise them to treasure purity and chastity.
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Post by teancum79 on Jul 31, 2007 20:12:49 GMT -5
Sadly Diana people in the Government have decided that we can only teach facts. Anything that even approaches morels is strictly illegal in any sort of public setting. Unfortunately the separation of church and state people have taken things way to far.
I don't think I'd go for killing the criminals, but I would be fine with doing a shot, chop and band-aid for first timers. Wheel chairs for the 2nd.
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Post by Mestemia on Jul 31, 2007 21:53:28 GMT -5
The problem with the government regulating morals is that to many people associate morals with religion.
I agree that the seperation of church and state has been taken to some rather stupid extremes. And on the other hand, it hasn't done enough in other cases...
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Post by cenk on Aug 1, 2007 10:17:42 GMT -5
Isn't a better way of dealing with repeat offenders to just lock them up indefinitely i.e. give them life sentences especially if they commit crimes of a sexual nature.
Let the bad criminals suffer inside prison, dont just give them the easy way out (capital punishment). If I had the choice I would rather be executed in a relatively short time rather than being forced to spend the rest of my natural life in prison.
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Post by calyrelf on Aug 1, 2007 21:01:33 GMT -5
The best way to stop most sexual offenders is to raise them to treasure purity and chastity.
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately that is the job of the parents, not the state, and sadly there are many parents who are not doing their job. I don't think that will change any time soon, although I hope that the world is getting a bit less "free love" than it was in the pre-aids era.
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Post by jedivelariuskenobi on Aug 1, 2007 22:32:46 GMT -5
The best way to stop most sexual offenders is to raise them to treasure purity and chastity.
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately that is the job of the parents, not the state, and sadly there are many parents who are not doing their job. I don't think that will change any time soon, although I hope that the world is getting a bit less "free love" than it was in the pre-aids era. I disagree. It is more evidence of the dis functionality of our cultures thoughts on sex that cause these unhealthy behaviors. We are all taught that sex is wrong, and shameful, and is something that is wrong to think about and must be done privately. Our "pure" cultural mores having to do with sex are so messed up, thats its no wonder that those with different mental processes, end up really crossing the line. with peace and light
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Post by doug on Aug 2, 2007 8:20:16 GMT -5
I tend to agree with Jedi. It is not sexual liberation that causes sexual abuse - sexual abuse has and will happen in societies were sexual activity and sexuality are more hidden and repressed than in today's world. In fact I believe that such a climate of free expression creates an environment wherein those who do suffer abuse feel they can report their abusers . In past times such expositions were routinely quashed to protect the abuser or spare the family the shame of stigma (often because the abuser was a member of the family.) To assume the teaching of chastity and purity will help end it is naive and absurdly simplistic. The catholic church teaches these things and yet we have seen quite unsettlingly high numbers of priests exposed as child molesters.
And that is not even the point. A person who is mentally ill will take no notice of teachings on "purity and chastity" let alone any other form of rational argument against rape or the rights of the individual or the child to say no. A psychological compulsion needs to be treated and should be treated by an expert. If chemical / physical castration or some kind of therapy is thought to be the best way of treating someone then it seems to me we go with that.
It doesn't change the crime though. Rape or sexual assault (whether of a child or an adult) is an offence and there is always a victim. In view of this there must also be reparation / punishment in some form because as much as we must treat the offender so as to avoid future offences, the crime that brought the illness to light must also be dealt with.
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Post by jedivelariuskenobi on Aug 2, 2007 11:54:30 GMT -5
I agree with Doug definitely. However, i have to disagree with the idea of the castration of offenders becuase that would definitely cross the line into cruel and unusual punishment. After all lets try to keep this facade of "civilized" society going a little bit ...
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Post by teancum79 on Aug 2, 2007 22:40:33 GMT -5
Well considering the damage the offender has done to the victim and the high rates of repeats I don't think it is excessive.
If it is done with the proper pain killers it is not cruel and all we have to do is have it become standard and it won't be unusual.
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Post by jedivelariuskenobi on Aug 3, 2007 1:12:56 GMT -5
hmm i guess excessive depends upon what standards you are going by.
I just don't think that this is the answer, it is merely revenge which never creates a positive outcome.
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