doug
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Post by doug on Aug 6, 2007 9:47:31 GMT -5
" Once again, it's our children who suffer when we put our desires first. That's the answer, like it or not. It was true in the 60s and 70s... it was true before that time... and it's true today. "
No, its not the answer. The answer lies in the treatment of the mental illness of peadophillia and in the understanding of it as such.
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jedivelariuskenobi
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All life is one energy, therefore, there is no i only we, and compassion then must follow
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Post by jedivelariuskenobi on Aug 6, 2007 11:23:29 GMT -5
If a religion does not teach right from wrong what are they good for? Spiritual Growth and Spiritual Evolution. Helping the Poor, helping people in general through peaceful means. Religions job is not to state right and wrong, for these things do not exist. Religions job is to help people grow spiritually toward the divine. What does the divine want? nothing more than for us (him) to recognize who we are, and who we are trying to be and to experience that. We are the divine, all are one. Yes Pedophilia needs to be treated mentally and spiritually not by the broken "justice" system, but by psychiatric professionals. It is not an outgrowth of "impurity" and "desire" in our society but just the opposite. We must reshape our societal collective consciousness. If you look at many "primitive" societies where sex is not taboo and is talked about all the time, there are 0 rapes, 0 molestation, and 0 sex crime. What people need to do is connect with their highest thought, their divine self, and they find their truths within, the "Right" and "wrong" that works for them, how they can manifest the love and the divinity best into the world. I'm not impressed with religions record for manifesting love in this day and age. Instead religions spread fear and hatred, and use the same old dogmas of control. I've moved past these dogmas and went directly to the source inside and all around us. No more middle men. That does not mean i do not respect that the old path works for you, there are no wrong paths, i just don't respect the effects these old ways are having on the world. As for love within safe boundaries ... Love cannot be caged it always bursts forth. Love, true love, divine love. This justice out of love, tough love doctrine has always been religions excuse for many horrible things. I'm not impressed with justice and with toughness, for all of these things come from each persons idea of right and wrong, that each person believes come from their absolute tradition when in reality it is their own ideas. In love and Light, God
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Post by dianaholberg on Aug 6, 2007 19:49:49 GMT -5
" Once again, it's our children who suffer when we put our desires first. That's the answer, like it or not. It was true in the 60s and 70s... it was true before that time... and it's true today. " No, its not the answer. The answer lies in the treatment of the mental illness of peadophillia and in the understanding of it as such. Okay, let's put aside paedophilia. What about the men subjected to sexual harrassment in the article I posted today? No need to respond here -- you can respond there. There are no boundaries for these folks. I'm not talking about all homosexuals -- I'm talking about those who are sexually crazed, homo- and heterosexual alike.
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jedivelariuskenobi
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All life is one energy, therefore, there is no i only we, and compassion then must follow
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Post by jedivelariuskenobi on Aug 7, 2007 11:58:55 GMT -5
" There are no boundaries for these folks. I'm not talking about all homosexuals -- I'm talking about those who are sexually crazed, homo- and heterosexual alike. This brings me back to the point i was arguing before. It is becuase of the focus on shaming sex and making it something evil that indeed makes it so confusing and creates the "crazed" sort of sexual behavior that you are talking about. If society was more open about sex, if it were something beautiful and loving that all understood was going on, and was not so hidden and shamed, with cutesy little words and shamed in customs, then there would be very little of the crazed sexual behavior that you are trying to fix with abstinence and purity. in love and light, Jedi Velarius Kenobi
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Post by dianaholberg on Aug 9, 2007 18:18:01 GMT -5
And again, I agree that sex in its proper context of marriage, done in a God-honoring way in which both partners are fully open to creation of new life, is a beautiful and wonderful thing.
Taken out of that context it becomes damaging to all parties involved, especially the children. It's a total disregard for the damage to the children that reigns today.
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