Mohammad prophecy in Bible?

[Mestemia]

John 16:7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

I have heard that this is a prophecy predicting the coming of future prophet Mohammad:

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Spirit. They fail to realize that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus, in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus was being baptized, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad.

But I have to wonder about this 'Biblical Mohammad Prophecy' theory given this verse:

John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

What do you think?

[teancum79]

While I do respect Mohammad for the good he did (in particular leading his people from the worship of idols to the worship of the living God) I’ve not run into any Bible passages that I think directly speak of him.

As far as the comforter goes I’m going to barrow a chunk from a bible dictionary as I think it explains things far better than I could

“For some reason not fully explained in the scriptures, the Holy Ghost did not operate in the fulness among the Jews during the years of Jesus’ mortal sojourn. Statements to the effect that the Holy Ghost did not come until after Jesus was resurrected must of necessity refer to that particular dispensation only, for it is abundantly clear that the Holy Ghost was operative in earlier dispensations. Furthermore, it has reference only to the gift of the Holy Ghost not being present, since the power of the Holy Ghost was operative during the ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus; otherwise no one would have received a testimony of the truths that these men taught. When a person speaks by the power of the Holy Ghost that same power carries a conviction of the truth into the heart of the hearer. The Holy Ghost knows all things and can lead one to know of future events.”

scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/h/56 (for the full listing)

[Mestemia]

Cool.
Thanks so much for the link!!

[Amalcas]

I think I've read a piece on Muhammad in the Bible before, though I can't remember where. I do remember that there isn't much that can be connected to him, though what's there is quite plausible.

[cenk]

I have heard of this debate about wherever or not "the prophet" that was prophesied in numerous places in the Old testament was prophet Muhammed.

I think its due to a verse in Deuteronomy (specifically Deuteronomy 18:18) which states:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

Some Muslims believe this verse is in reference to the prophet Muhammed. I found this table showing a comparison of Moses, Muhammed and Jesus which is used to justify this view.

[robl]

I know this is an old thread but I just read it so I thought I should comment on it.

Mohammad is not in the Bible. He worsipped Allah the moon good of the pagan Arabs at the time. Allah was the god of his particular tribe. There is a very defenite reason why the Jews and Christians did not accept him as a prophet of God. Because he did not believe in the same God that the Christians and Jews have always believed in. And this is a common misconception held today with most people who are unlearned in this area. The Abrahamic God is not Allah and Allah is not the God of Abraham.

[Mestemia]

Where exactly did you get these ideas from?

[robl]

alot of research and study through the years. There is a reason for the cresent moon an the star in all the Islamic countries national flags. And you have to read histroy from the enemies of a religion and from the religion's veiw point as well. Because all sources will be biased in some point. But I have studied religion most of my life. And am still learning more about it as I go. But Allah and yahweh are definetly not the same.

[Mestemia]

Interesting how even the Quran itself contradicts you.

[robl]

Of course it does. I do not even believe the Koran to be correct. But there is a major reason why the Jews and Christians in Mohomad's day refused to follow his new religion. They did not even accept his god. No other religion refers to God as Allah. Both the Jews and the Christians will use Yaweh or I AM(which is what Yaweh means). However you will never hear a muslem refer to God as Yaweh. He will only use the name Allah. I have read bits and pieces of the Koran. And even the translated part of it uses the word Allah. If Allah really just means God in Arabic then why not translate the name God in the English? Because Allah is a different God altogether.
I have heard historians make mention of Abraham coming from a tribe that worshipped a moon god. And he may have. But this moon god of his tribe was not the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham was the God of Noah and so forth. Abraham was himself called out of a land of idols and false gods. His tribe's moon god(if this is true)would have just been one of many false gods he was called out from.

[Mestemia]

We will just have to agree to disagree.
I have not the time to educate you and you seem unwilling to learn anyway.

[robl]

We can agree to disagree then. However I am quite willing to learn. Thats what Im in school for. To learn more about the Bible and how to be a minister and a preacher. So I have learned a little bit from reading alot of books and listening to my teachers and research papers. I do have a lot to learn still of course. The moment you stop learning is the moment you are dead.

[Mestemia]

My apologies.
I just re-read my post and realize that it is rather rude.
I was having a bad day and was taking it out, in part on, you and that just ain't right.
Again, my apologies.

[robl]

Accepted. Thats Ok its good to stay humble. And I dont think Im humble enough yet. So you may help keep me from pride. And pride is after all a preacher killer.

[Tara]

Feb 17, 2009 15:32:33 GMT -5 robl said:

Of course it does. I do not even believe the Koran to be correct. But there is a major reason why the Jews and Christians in Mohomad's day refused to follow his new religion. They did not even accept his god. No other religion refers to God as Allah. Both the Jews and the Christians will use Yaweh or I AM(which is what Yaweh means). However you will never hear a muslem refer to God as Yaweh. He will only use the name Allah. I have read bits and pieces of the Koran. And even the translated part of it uses the word Allah.

I don't think its the name thing so much as its the fact that the newer religions aren't readily accepted by the older ones. In this group of religions, it started with the Torah...then the Bible which includes the Torah as the Old Testament. Then the Qur'an. I don't know too much about the Qur'an, except that the previous prophets (Jesus, Moses, etc.) are acknowledged. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

If Allah really just means God in Arabic then why not translate the name God in the English? Because Allah is a different God altogether.

Then why not Yahweh instead of God? The Jews could easily discredit the Bible by saying that the use of the letter 'o' between 'G' and 'D' could mean a different being altogether.

The Muslims and the Jews felt the need to keep the texts in its original language and require its followers to learn it so that in conveying the messages, things would not get confused. B/c what one says in one language can be mistaken for something else. Even in everyday speech things are different. If I were to walk into someone's home and they speak a language other than English and they wish to say 'hello' it could be somewhere along the lines of "Welcome and feel at Peace". They may not even have a 'hello'. But many people speaking English would probably not say that but a simple hello (unless they are very formal or just really polite)

Also in translation there are things to consider about implications and meanings in phrases. For example, in the English language, when a person says, "Boy this person really has their foot in their mouth!" A person from another culture would be confused as to what is meant by the phrase...b/c it really couldn't be literal now could it?

Simple idioms can throw people off track let alone ancient accounts of miracles and events that none of us here have even witnessed. Look up cross cultural idioms and check it out.