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Post by Tara on Jul 10, 2006 18:04:02 GMT -5
Religion Taking A Left Turn?(CBS) At a church in Washington, hundreds of committed Christians met recently and tried to map out a strategy to get their values into the political debate.
But these are not the conservative Christian values which have been so influential lately. This is the religious left. ( continue) Thoughts?
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Post by teancum79 on Jul 10, 2006 19:49:38 GMT -5
What a nut job. To to attack some of the central values of Christ's teachings. Yes the war may not be overly Christian, but abortions and homosexuality are very non-Christian. To blur that line is shameful not to mention sinful.
It is one thing to use religion to motivate believers to action consistent with the religions message quite another to sacrifice the religion on the alter of politics.
Sadly I don't think he is ashamed of himself, but he should be.
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Post by dianaholberg on Jul 11, 2006 7:45:22 GMT -5
I'd like to see politics remain a secular discussion, even if guided by Christian principles.
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Post by teancum79 on Jul 11, 2006 9:03:38 GMT -5
This is not about politics. If a guy gets up and calls himself Christian, but prays to Buddha sacrifices children to Allah and wears a star of David. It is kind of hard to call him Christian.
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Post by dianaholberg on Jul 11, 2006 9:26:26 GMT -5
teancum, I realize that your posts are not about politics, but the article is.
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Post by teancum79 on Jul 11, 2006 12:40:13 GMT -5
Politics has always had religious connections. If I remember right the high ups of the Orthodox church where best buds if not the same guys as the civil government. I think a very similar thing happens in some parts of the Middle East.
What gets my goat is the abuse of religion for political gain.
On a side note and not something that I think is alway the best idea. When religion and government are one and the some (or close too) it keeps things easy for those who like the way things are going as there is very little conflict. This however makes it really ruff on the guys with new ideas however.
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Post by Tara on Jul 11, 2006 17:17:01 GMT -5
And new ideas can make way for better things. (Although not all new ideas are great or used for a better purpose)
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Post by moonchain on Aug 13, 2006 16:36:57 GMT -5
What a nut job. To to attack some of the central values of Christ's teachings. Yes the war may not be overly Christian, but abortions and homosexuality are very non-Christian. To blur that line is shameful not to mention sinful. But that's the point. He wasn't attacking the central values of Christ's teachings, he was attacking the central values of the Republican ideology: greed, hate, war, and pride. All of which are not Christian values. He was saying Christ never spoke out against homosexuals. In fact, He told us to love everyone, including our enemies. If you don't like homosexuality, you still have to love the homosexuals and treat them as you would want to be treated anyway. Christian Republicans take a hateful view and focus on the "gay agenda" (which doesn't exist) instead of trying to figure out how those individuals fit into God's plan. Instead of figuring out how to solve the socio-political reasons abortion exists (i.e. poverty, rape, diseases that are still untreated, etc.), Christian Republicans attack the abortion clinics and those who support a woman's right to choose. I agree completely. And too many of the Religious Right falls into that category.
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Post by dianaholberg on Aug 13, 2006 18:52:24 GMT -5
Good to see you, moonchain.
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Post by moonchain on Aug 13, 2006 19:17:55 GMT -5
Yeah. Back from a bit of a respite and spitting venom as usual.
Work has really taken its toll. Hopefully I'll be hanging around a bit more. Try to shake things up, y'know. You guys look like you've been quiet the past 4 months.
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Post by dianaholberg on Aug 13, 2006 20:42:58 GMT -5
That's 'cause I'm fully employed for the moment...
Weren't you changing jobs? How'd that go?
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Post by teancum79 on Aug 13, 2006 21:54:12 GMT -5
Does anyone not understand that Christianity condemns homosexuality as a sin. Not that we go around killing homosexuals or anything like that. True Christ did tell us to love everyone he also taught us to not sin. There is a big difference between Christianity and the Republican party, but to abuse the scriptures to promote the left agenda of calling homosexuality normal is wrong and evil.
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Post by Mestemia on Aug 14, 2006 0:02:46 GMT -5
And when exactly did Jesus Christ tell Christians that they were to police the world? When did Jesus Christ tell Christians that they were to force their beliefs down the thraots of everyone?
I do not recall a single verse that even indicates that Christians are to force Jesus, the Bible, or even Christianity on anyone.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to present some?
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Post by teancum79 on Aug 14, 2006 0:18:59 GMT -5
How does standing up for what one believes is right = forcing it down others throats?
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Post by Mestemia on Aug 14, 2006 3:33:10 GMT -5
How does standing up for what one believes is right = forcing it down others throats? The claim is the the Bible is against abortion. So they want abortions illegal. Thus they are shoving their Christianity down the throats of everyone who is subject to that law. The Bible is against homosexual behavior. so they want same sex marriage banned. Thus shoving thier Christian beliefs upon everyone subject to that law. Do you see a pattern here? I sure do. How is this NOT shoving thier Christian beliefs down the throats of others?
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