Everyone wants peace?

[Tara]

Is it true that everyone ultimately wants peace?

[Aly J.]

Don't we all? However, it is easy to see, even in small children, that we, as humans, are not able to have complete peace. So, yes, we do WANT peace, but it is inevitable that we will not get it.

[Tara]

Why don't you think that we would never be able to attain peace? (Welcome to the forum btw

[Aly J.]

(Oh, thanks! I'm loving the site! *Feels empowered to speak her mind and not get yelled at for it like sometimes at school*) Well, just think about it. Have you ever had a friend who has never made you mad? Then, if you can get in fights at such a smaller scale, then people in power, (And lets face it, there will always, in some form or fashion, be someone in charge.), get into fights, they nuke each other. Or bomb, or invade. Peace is impossible for humans. We just CAN'T get along. The greed and corruption is too far inbreed into our lives. The grass will always be greener on the other side, and we'll always have to take the other side to get it. But maybe that's just me.

[Tara]

Do you think it's a natural inborn trait for us to fight amongst ourselves?

[Aly J.]

Inborn might be the way to put it, but my belief is we where made LIKE God, and when Adam and Eve ate the fruit to BCOME like God, it was awakened. I have been taught that my God is a jealous God, at times.

Exodus 20:5 (New King James Version)
5. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

And I feel, when we were first made

Genesis 1:27 (New King James Version)
27. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

In his image, then they ate of the fruit, which is Genesis 3, 1 through 24.

7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

22Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"-- 23therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

Basically, when the fall happened, we became inherently evil. Even the children of the first people were evil, that Cain killed his brother for what? Jealousy that the Lord took his brother's offering. So, yes I do. And the verses are to show why I believe it, if you don't mind. I don't know all the rules, that is ok, right?

[Tara]

Aly said:

And the verses are to show why I believe it, if you don't mind. I don't know all the rules, that is ok, right?

Yup. The rules and any questions you may have about posting on the forum are all located at the top table where it says, "Forum Info." Divine Whispers is a place where people are allowed to speak their mind but are simply required to be respectful. We are here to learn from each other.

[moonchain]

Hey Tara, the rules link is a bit broken. You may want to double check on it. It doesn't work for me, at least.

In my own humble opinion about your question: I don't believe that everyone wants peace. To some, I think peace may just be the pipe dream of others and they see the necessity of war and fights and destructive behavior to exercise will. As Nietzsche said, the main driving force of the human is the "will to power" and some people may have such a hunger for power that peace isn't even an option. Of course, those who take this as his meaning are misinterpreting him, like the Nazis who thought Nietzsche was speaking of their cause (when in truth, he would probably have spit on their cause).

I honestly can't speak for the entire population. I'm sure that a lot of people *want* peace, or at least a relatively peaceful existence, but others in the world fear too much peace as a weakness. When I was younger I was always getting into arguments and physical fights with my mom and sister, and this was how I thought I should be to exercise power as the youngest in the household (not to mention the fact that I had a very unpeaceful existence at school and felt powerless there to stop it). Nowadays I am for peace and avoid conflicts, but that's mainly because of my current situation.

There are some deeply rooted psychological problems in the human race that we've been trying to understand for years and I believe one of those problems is the inability to fully understand the social contract (that invisible contract that we sign when we decide to be a part of the human civilized world). We aren't really social creatures like bees or wolf packs, but since we find ourselves benefiting from being social creatures, the contract is to provide a living arrangement beneficial to us all. Yet, as Aly pointed out, we are too immersed in selfishness and greed to accept our neighbors' (neighbor can mean anything from another country to people in our own family) boundaries and respect them. This is where the peace breaks down.

[moonmorgan]

Does everyone want peace? No.

Is it possible to have world peace?...

Well I believe in reincarnation and that everytime we reincarnate, we are born a certain way and in a certin place to learn lessons. Only after we have learned all the lessons of the universe do we stop reincarnating. There is not peace on Earth and there never will be total peace because everyone is in a different stage of understanding. Those who really are doing their best for world peace are those who are near the end of their reincarnations. Only in the place where those who are done reincarnating are, is there total peace.

That is my view.

[nosamiam]

I believe that more and more, as time passes, people will want peace. 200 years ago, world peace wasn't even an option. People were too busy colonizing. Now, we still colonize other countries (albeit in much more covert ways), but the common person on the street understands that there's something not quite right about it.

I can easily see, maybe another 100 years from now, people being so fed up with corruption, double-speak, and war that they will not settle for anything BUT a total end to it all. The way we run things right now is just so inefficient, unethical,... just stupid. We'll be looking for a better way as soon as we realize exactly how we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Rain]

Hi,

Well, I think that everyone experiences peace at some point or another in their life and perhaps without even desiring it. I think the question, " What does one consider to be peace?" is important. As with so many other things in life, I think that the idea or ideal of peace is subjective to the individuals perspective.

Imagine if you will.....That in a blink of an eye everyone around the world felt a since of peace....perhaps world peace has human world peace has occured already and maybe even a few times.

When one says, " Wolrd Peace ", it seems to me that they mean human peace.

I think that the World/Earth already has peace.

So, what is peace?

[Tara]

Rain you have such a deep insight. That is a good question; what is it that we consider peace?

I think peace comes at many different levels. We have world peace individual peace. And within that individual you can go even deeper. For example you can have spiritual peace, emotional peace and physical peace.

For me, peace would be of the emotional peace in the sense that I won't always be worrying about everything to the point where I cannot think straight in my everday duties. Spiritual peace, to me, isn't always where it would be that I absolutely know that what I believe is true, but that I am always willing to find the truth. Physical peace, to me, is where I don't have any major injuries and if I do, that I am content with it and I don't give up on life just because of an ailment.

And you're right, when I mean "world peace' I mean peace amongst the people.

[Rain]

The question, What is peace is deep and the answere deeper still.

Yes, Tara, peace has so many aspects and levels to be applyed to, as you so pointed out, some wonderful examples of.

As we find in the dictionary peace means to be without war, to be calm and quite.

Lets take it a bit further....lets ponder peacefulness, the quality of being peaceful.

Time and again we must practice and know the very thing we wish to bring about.

Be mindful of peacefulness.

It is like when you leg wakes you in the middle of the night, cramping. You wake in a start filled with anxiety and pain but if for a moment you breath deep focus on calmness and relaxation your leg will ease out of it's crap. This is a great lesson, a gift....an understanding in transcending.

Much energy is lost in fear and worry....trancend these debilitating energy zappers and focus your energy in the way that you most desire. This too is about love, self love and nature nurture, your own true nature nurtured.

Now, to answere your question.....I believe it is actually in our nature to seek and know peace and to be peaceful, to have peacefulness but we must realise that there are those....even myself at times do not allow peace. One can attribute this to programming, habitual patterns, an infection or disease passed from one person to another, something learned. But deep within ourselves at our weakest and lowest moments we cry out for the peace we seek (this comes from the voice of our true nature ), we may even grow nestalgic for a better time when once we precieved we had peace. Both are teachers when you are on a spiritual path. The absence and presence of both are intiaters to the spiritual path. Now, to work on and practice the mastery of these.....it requires much compassion of self and others and an ability to let go and let be.

I also believe true peace sets in when you come to peace with death, your own death imparticular. I do not know if this will have a profound a effect on you as it does me but this saying actually leaned me towards the peace of my own death, " Today, is a good day to die!" Thsi si something an indian warriar would say before precedeeding into the day ahead. What it means to me is, that, if your see beauty before you, behind you, within you, below you, above you and that you have done good, that you have done the goodly things of life, that then, yes, today is a good day to die. LOL, and with this tall appreciation of what you precieve of life will surely see you through another day of living for your heart, mind, spirit and body are all working together and if not.....you will die very happily. If you can wake and breathin and say to yourself, " Today, is a good day to die. ", I believe you will have peace.

Not everyone takes the above so well. I have actually been told that that was a crappy attitude...LOL.....and so, once again, peace is all in ones perspective.