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Post by Tara on Aug 17, 2005 8:26:03 GMT -5
Israeli Soldiers Clear Out Gaza StripNEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip - Israeli troops dragged sobbing Jewish settlers out of homes, synagogues and even a nursery school Wednesday and hauled them onto buses in a massive evacuation, fulfilling Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's promise to withdraw from the Gaza Strip after a 38-year occupation. Soldiers carried away worshippers still wrapped in their white prayer shawls. Wailing men ripped their shirts in a Jewish mourning ritual. Women in a synagogue pressed their faces against the curtain covering the Torah scroll. A woman set herself on fire at a police roadblock in Israel. ( continue)
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Post by cenk on Sept 2, 2005 6:28:01 GMT -5
Good! Finally the illegal Israelis settlers have left the Gaza strip! I find it Ironic that I saw footage of Israelis crying and complaining about being relocated even though they kicked out many Palestinians out of their family homes which many have lived in for generations.
This however doesn't solve the problems in the region. I think the next step is for Israel to leave their settlements in the West Bank. However this doesn't seem like it will happen in the foreseeable future. (Infact Israel seem to be strengthening their existing illegal settlements in the West Bank.
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Post by cenk on Sept 2, 2005 22:27:33 GMT -5
A note for everyone. I am in No Way anti Jewish. I am however against many of the policies of the state of Israel.
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Post by Tara on Sept 4, 2005 11:18:47 GMT -5
Why? Like what?
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Post by littlepea on Sept 5, 2005 9:08:39 GMT -5
i pretty much agree with cenk on this issue - although i don't know a lot about it, what i have heard gives me a pretty poor opinion of Israel (and the US who are always behind them)
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Post by Tara on Sept 5, 2005 18:05:36 GMT -5
Well, I'm ignorant on some of these things. Perhaps either of you can explain? I don't always watch the news (and I wonder if that is a good thing or a bad thing).
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Post by cenk on Sept 5, 2005 18:39:02 GMT -5
1.) For a start building a wall separating themselves from Palestianians. They are creating segragation between themselves and the Palestianians. 2.) The Israeli genocide of the Palestians. 3.) The fact that Israel has broken so many UN resolutions (more than Saddam Hussein ever broke) and no action was taken against Israel. www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm4.) The USA provides Israel with Billions of Dollars worth of military and financial aid. More money than any other nation in the world (including those nation where aids infects 1 in 4 people or where 80% of the people are starving) 5.) Israel may have withdrawn from the Gaza strip but Israel still have at around 200,000 illegal settlers currently occupying parts of the West Bank. I believe Isreals true goal at the moment is the have full control of Jerusalem because it is the capital of the State of Israel. The Palestians also claim Jerusalem their capital. The Israelis with their military might (provided by the USA) can dominate the over ((The Palestinians (who under certain international agreements are not allowed a Army)) easily. Also Israel with her financial backing can eventually buy out areas of Jerusalem from the poor Palestians effectively buying out the city (and that has slowly already started)
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Post by Tara on Sept 5, 2005 18:40:55 GMT -5
How about you littlepea, what are your reasons? Are they similar?
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Post by littlepea on Sept 5, 2005 23:02:32 GMT -5
my impression was the Israelis moved into the area and told all the Palestinians (who had been living there for ages) to move out at once, which seemed more than a bit unfair to me. and then you have the fact that they break the UN resolutions and get away with it because they have the USA backing them (which gives me a poor impression of the US for supporting them).
i'd already heard what cenk just said - that's what my opinion was based on but i couldn't have given such a detailed response.
i have nothing against jews or americans but the way that Israel has acted with the US backing them is atrocious.
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Post by Tara on Sept 6, 2005 7:38:21 GMT -5
my impression was the Israelis moved into the area and told all the Palestinians (who had been living there for ages) to move out at once, which seemed more than a bit unfair to me. and then you have the fact that they break the UN resolutions and get away with it because they have the USA backing them (which gives me a poor impression of the US for supporting them). This much I knew, and this much I agree with.
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Post by ophelia97 on Sept 6, 2005 13:34:14 GMT -5
Things like these are often overlooked when information is presented with a bias towards one side or the other. It's difficult to choose whom to feel sympathy for when you see how people on both sides are suffering.
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Post by cenk on Sept 6, 2005 16:32:49 GMT -5
Out of curiousity
What does the news in the USA tell you lot about Israel and Palestine do they only report the news when a Palestian man blows himself and a few Israeli's up or do they report about when Israeli tanks destroy peoples homes on a daily basis or when Israeli soldiers shoot dead a Palestian just because the Palestian was in the wrong place at the wrong time, regardless if that Palestian is male, female or a 11 year old walking home from school?
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Post by Tara on Sept 6, 2005 16:45:33 GMT -5
I would love to answer your question, but I don't pay too much attention to the news. So no help from me.
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Post by dianaholberg on Sept 7, 2005 11:39:58 GMT -5
I too have abandoned the popular media in frustration of being fed only one side of the story -- not just on this, but on all matters. I rely on carefully chosen sources for news now. Sources that seem to report both sides objectively. I mostly pray for peace there. Here is an article from my favorite news source on this topic: India foxed as Pakistan plays the Israel card
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Post by ophelia97 on Sept 9, 2005 8:11:04 GMT -5
It probably has a lot to do with the tense relationship of India and Pakistan. Last I heard, there was a problem over the state of Kashmir, but I haven't checked the news on that recently and I don't want to go off topic either.
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