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Post by Tara on Dec 13, 2004 14:56:19 GMT -5
What are your thoughts? Do those who do not support the government deserve to live in the country in which they protest the government?
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Post by dianaholberg on Dec 13, 2004 16:27:49 GMT -5
I believe everyone has a right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"... regardless of their feelings about their government.
I do, however, wish there were some mandatory minimum participation (other than taxation) that would prevent people from remaining blissfully ignorant of the issues surrounding the things they complain about.
That mandatory minimum used to be dictated by conscience... unfortunately for many, conscience is now dead...
My two cents...
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Post by littlepea on Dec 15, 2004 17:09:12 GMT -5
well, the country is more than the government, is it not? if you are a citizen of that country then you should have the right to live there - you should also have the right to protest if the people in charge try to take the country in a direction that you don't want it to go. another way to read your question could be: do those who do not support the government deserve to die (in the country in which they protest), but i'm sure you didn't mean it that way  |
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Post by Tara on Dec 15, 2004 17:27:13 GMT -5
The reason why I asked was because someone I know got mad at someone else for playing a song that said "f*ck Bush!" He called that, "treason" and said that if you were in any other country, you'd get shot for saying something like that.
But in my opinion, the reason that is so is b/c they may not have freedom of speech like we "supposedly" do.
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Post by dianaholberg on Dec 15, 2004 18:14:53 GMT -5
Quite true... though personally I wouldn't abuse our right to free speech by calling upon it to defend the use of profanity.
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Post by littlepea on Dec 17, 2004 15:36:30 GMT -5
it could only be treason if bush was the king, which he is not, but even in the UK you're not gonna get prosecuted for shouting "f-ck the queen" as loud as you can (i could make a reference to scottish football here but i won't suffice to say you could be done for inciting a riot but there's very little chance you'll get done for treason). if stuff like that is considered treason then what's the point in elections? everyone would have to vote for the man currently in power, because voting against him would be an even more gross violation of allegiance (that's the definition of treason, by the way). i've heard that americans say the pledge of allegiance or something? i'm not american, so i don't know what it is (so don't laugh at me if i'm making a fool of myself ) but do you pledge allegiance to the United States of America or do you pledge allegiance to the president? |
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Post by dianaholberg on Dec 17, 2004 16:38:07 GMT -5
We learn the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school, but after grade school, there is rarely an opportunity to say it. Here is how it goes:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
When I was in a Baptist church, we would say this pledge on Independence Day as well as the pledge of allegiance to the Christian flag, which goes like this:
I pledge allegiance To the Christian Flag, and to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen and coming again, with life and liberty
for all who believe.
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Post by Amalcas on Dec 17, 2004 18:13:50 GMT -5
You had school on Independence Day?  Christian flag? Was it a cross, or something? |
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Post by Tigress on Dec 18, 2004 0:07:20 GMT -5
What are your thoughts? Do those who do not support the government deserve to live in the country in which they protest the government? I think that as long as they are voting, and generally law-abiding citizens, they absolutely deserve to remain in, and participate in the probable luxuries of their country. As for my personal opinion on the anti-government stance, I don't support it to the point of complete anarchy because that's just foolishness, unless you really don't care about you and yours. However, I do support it by way of being against some of the things that government does, or of certain laws. That sort of thing. Quite true... though personally I wouldn't abuse our right to free speech by calling upon it to defend the use of profanity. I would. |
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Post by Tara on Dec 18, 2004 7:00:59 GMT -5
No Amal, she had church on Independence Day. When I was in a Baptist church, we would say this pledge on Independence Day as well as the pledge of allegiance to the Christian flag, which goes like this:... Why? |
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Post by littlepea on Dec 22, 2004 14:41:44 GMT -5
As for my personal opinion on the anti-government stance, I don't support it to the point of complete anarchy because that's just foolishness, unless you really don't care about you and yours. i think most people would say that not caring about you and yours is foolishness itself. of course complete anarchy is another political opinion and people should be allowed to think for themselves (so if they want anarchy then they should be allowed to want it), the fact that you wouldn't support it that far just means that you are not an anarchist, congratulations  |
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