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Post by dianaholberg on Jun 20, 2005 7:35:15 GMT -5
That reminds me of that show "Intervention". You know, the one where an addict's family all sit down to confront the addict who is slowly killing himself/herself and them?
The addict always gets angry and says, "This isn't fair!" and makes a big deal getting all emotional -- meanwhile he/she has been putting the family through years of hell with completely selfish behavior that everyone knows eventually leads to death for the drug abuser and trauma to the family due to such a senseless loss.
Terry's situation brought to light the blood-thirst in people for all the world to see -- though it's been going on behind closed doors for years. We need the kind of intervention Terry's family has been spearheading.
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Post by Mestemia on Jun 22, 2005 15:17:47 GMT -5
Terry's situation brought to light the blood-thirst in people for all the world to see -- though it's been going on behind closed doors for years. We need the kind of intervention Terry's family has been spearheading. So all people have the right to live regardless of their own decision (and legal right) to want to die? How selfish of those who wanted her to remain alive when she wanted to die. This was shown and ruled upon numerous times in court. So the real question that needs to be answered is: What exactly are Terri Shiavos parents spear heading? From everything I have seen and read it has nothing to do with anything other than their own person selfishness at not wanting to lose their daughter.
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Post by PhantomsPandora on Jun 22, 2005 20:09:04 GMT -5
I don't know what to think of her family now-I wish that peace would come over them over the results of the autopsy.
I saw the grave tthat they placed Terri's ashes in, it's very pretty. I know her parents are upset about it, but that's what a lot of tombstones for coma patients say, that the person has two death dates on it.
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Post by dianaholberg on Jun 22, 2005 20:53:38 GMT -5
So all people have the right to live regardless of their own decision (and legal right) to want to die? Life, whether you realize it or not, is a very precious gift. Anyone who wants to throw it away is not in a sound state of mind. People used to understand this. It speaks wonders for where we are today that so many have lost their love of Life. How arrogant of those who presume to know Terry's wishes better than those who were closest to her to the end. I know of no parents who would not fight just as hard for their children knowing their children's desires. You apparently have not read anything written by those closest to Terry. Not only her parents, but her closest friends, her priest, her doctors all have provided testimony that Terry was able to ask for help and was able to express her desire to live... just not in words.
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Post by ophelia97 on Jun 22, 2005 22:01:26 GMT -5
I'm going to stay out of this debate, as I have no clue what Terri Schiavo wanted for herself. But I will say that if I ever become in a state like that, I would want to die.
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Post by Tara on Jun 23, 2005 6:05:21 GMT -5
I saw the grave tthat they placed Terri's ashes in, it's very pretty. I know her parents are upset about it, but that's what a lot of tombstones for coma patients say, that the person has two death dates on it. Really? I never knew that! Is it stated somewhere in some documents why there are two dates? You know...some poeple do geneaology and that is important for historical purposes to be able to understand that.
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Post by Mestemia on Jun 23, 2005 10:29:47 GMT -5
So all people have the right to live regardless of their own decision (and legal right) to want to die? Life, whether you realize it or not, is a very precious gift. Anyone who wants to throw it away is not in a sound state of mind. People used to understand this. It speaks wonders for where we are today that so many have lost their love of Life. not of sound mind? Because they choose not to suffer? Nice opinion. I just disagree with it. And who exactly was that? You are taking the side that you agree with. Nothing more. It is sad that you do not believe that a spouse can know the wishes of their significant other better than that significant others parents. really sad. Did they really truely know, or are they just saying whatever it takes to save thier daughter? I believe it to be the latter. see below for further explaination. As a matter of fact I have. I read all the baloney that was on her parents website. I read all the baloney on all the "Terri Shiavo's husband is an evil man who abused her and now only wants the money" websites. I read all the Baloney on all the "Terri Shiavo has the right to die" websites. My conclusion is that her parents were going to say and do whatever they had to to save her life. Period. Therefore they are only spearheading their own selfishness. Nothing more. Passion rules reason. The Terri Shiavo case proves it.
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Post by Tara on Jun 23, 2005 14:06:08 GMT -5
How arrogant of those who presume to know Terry's wishes better than those who were closest to her to the end. And none of us could really tell who was closest to her. This morning when I saw this thread had new messages I was like, "We're still talking about her?!". I mean, I think it would be more constructive to speak about what we believe about right to die issues. I mean, it's evident that we cannot tell who was truly closest to her. That's just my although if people wish to debate about who had what intentions then go ahead. Debate is good. Unless they're crazy and enjoy drowning their children in the bathtub like that lady who drowned her five children b/c of some stupid "demon" issues. (See? There we go, back to the " demon possesion thread"...nothing wrong with that. ;D)
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Post by PhantomsPandora on Jun 23, 2005 15:48:17 GMT -5
Tara, the two death dates signify the first death, the one of the mind leaving the body, and the second of the body being taken off of support.
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Post by Tara on Jun 23, 2005 17:51:53 GMT -5
I know, but I never saw that before. I mean, you wouldn't be able to see that in an old cemetary because people didn't have life support machines in those days you know?
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Post by dianaholberg on Jun 23, 2005 21:39:54 GMT -5
It is sad that you do not believe that a spouse can know the wishes of their significant other better than that significant others parents. really sad. That is a complete mischaracterization of what I believe, and I ask you kindly to refrain from such statements. Michael Schaivo could hardly be called Terry's significant other. He had long ago moved on with another woman. Terry's parents, on the other had, were with her daily. That is your opinion based on your own disdain for life, which is not shared by all. Parents love their children, and seek to protect them. I think it is really sad that you don't understand that this is what love is. You're in my prayers tonight.
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Post by Mestemia on Jun 23, 2005 21:48:45 GMT -5
That is your opinion based on your own disdain for life, which is not shared by all. That is a complete mischaracterization of what I believe, and I ask you kindly to refrain from such statements. Again That is a complete mischaracterization of what I believe, and I ask you kindly to refrain from such statements.
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Post by Mestemia on Jun 23, 2005 21:50:52 GMT -5
dianaholberg
On this topic, not only does your opinion differ from mine, but it does appear that we do not like the others opinion.
As I already stated:Passion Rules Reason And on that note: In the interest of keeping it civil, I will not post agin in this thread.
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Post by littlepea on Jun 25, 2005 19:43:31 GMT -5
i bloody well hope not, that's one of the foundations for fascism ...
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Post by Tara on Jun 26, 2005 16:27:16 GMT -5
Perhaps he meant the situation of the parents' stance... Side note for everyone: Please refrain from using colored words. Thanks.
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