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Post by teancum79 on Nov 1, 2005 20:47:00 GMT -5
I know this is an area that can be a bit touchy, but I thought I’d throw it out. Some Christians refer to the “infallible word of God”. The Bible has been altered somewhat over the years and it is well known that people differ in their views of the meaning of the text.
Questions:
Is the Bible as it now is (feel free to pick your favorite translation) the only word of God you do or will accept?
If it where shown that there are better copies of a particular book (IE Dead Sea Scrolls) which would you accept?
What if books from the era and by the same people are found and are authentic do you accept them as scripture?
Is the text of the Bible as it now is or the way it was interrupted in years gone by more important?
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Post by ophelia97 on Nov 2, 2005 12:40:16 GMT -5
I don't want to start any arguments, but I'll share my thoughts anyway. I don't think the modern Bible is exactly the same as it was originally. My view of God is that He's open minded and expects us to follow it, but not word for word.
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Post by cenk on Nov 2, 2005 14:47:06 GMT -5
I don't want to start any arguments, but I'll share my thoughts anyway. I don't think the modern Bible is exactly the same as it was originally. My view of God is that He's open minded and expects us to follow it, but not word for word. img98.imageshack.us/img98/9823/bible5pf.jpg
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Post by Tara on Nov 2, 2005 15:51:19 GMT -5
I'm stupid... How can a chapter have one phrase? I think I may have missed something...
#headscratch#
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Post by dianaholberg on Nov 2, 2005 20:28:27 GMT -5
Can we trust the Bible?Tara, what it is saying is start in Chapter 1, Phrase 1 and go to Chapter x, Phrase y... they are start and end points.
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Post by Tara on Nov 3, 2005 18:58:27 GMT -5
For what? (If people don't mind me asking) Is it supposed to be astudy thing or something? Did I miss something?
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Post by dianaholberg on Nov 3, 2005 21:54:46 GMT -5
There is a conspiracy theory of sorts that claims many OT books were not written as a unified whole but are actually different texts interwoven into what we know today as the Bible. There is some truth to this... though it's actually not a conspiracy at all.
Anyway, two of the presumed texts are the Yahvist and the Sacerdotal... the chart cenk posted breaks down the first 11 chapters of Genesis, presuming to identify which verses originated from which text.
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Post by teancum79 on Nov 3, 2005 22:55:12 GMT -5
Huh last I checked Moses wrote the first five books and the rest came along after. Granted the copy of a copy thing would introduce a lot of minor errors and such. Personally I question the over all spiritual value of Songs of Solomon, but on the whole it is a collection of holy books from Jerusalem and its neighboring areas. I've yet to see anything to seriously call into question the general thrust or overall meanings in it.
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Post by cenk on Nov 4, 2005 7:01:32 GMT -5
Huh last I checked Moses wrote the first five books and the rest came along after. Did Moses actually write the first 5 books? Deuteronomy chapter 34. 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 34:8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended. 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. I'm just wandering how could moses write about his own death and burial???
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Post by Tara on Nov 4, 2005 10:31:23 GMT -5
Thanks diana. And I agree... I don't think it's a conspiracy. I simply took it as fact. I actually have heard some theories about Moses and the books he's written. Something about there are more books he has written than what's included in the Bible.
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Post by dianaholberg on Nov 4, 2005 10:31:49 GMT -5
He didn't write about his own death. The Pentateuch is clear about what portions are written by Moses and what is more of a narration of events surrounding what Moses wrote. Moses wrote down the Law, wrote down his interpretation of the Law, wrote down many things about the activities of the Chosen People of God... who they were, where they camped, etc. Tthe Pentateuch as we know it today is indeed a collection of Moses' writings with narrative added. That said, the Greek version of the Pentateuch (in the Septuagint) has existed for at least 2000 years now (the Gospels record the Jews of Christ's time as well as Jesus Himself referring to it as "the Law of Moses"; the Apostle Paul made reference to the "five words" of the Law). The Torah (Jewish book of the Law, which is the origin of the Pentateuch) has probably existed unchanged for much longer (rabbinic writers make references to "the five-fifths of the Law"; a law-book has been found and dated to 621 B.C. all of the contents of which are in our book of Deuteronomy; a document called "P" has been found and dated to 444 B.C. that makes reference to the "Law of holiness", believed to be Deuteronomy -- which means "copy of the Law"). The Yahwist text previously referenced is believed to date back to the 8th or 9th century B.C. Basically, Moses wrote the Torah at God's direction. Is it so surprising that additions would have been made after his death to document such an important event in the lives of the people of Israel? Here's more information on this subject than you ever wanted.[Edit: to remove quotes from link]
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Post by Tara on Nov 4, 2005 10:34:23 GMT -5
There's no link.
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Post by dianaholberg on Nov 4, 2005 10:54:10 GMT -5
Okay, I fixed it... other sites require quotes in links and I'm all the time putting quotes in the links here and leaving them out of the links there...
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Post by cenk on Nov 4, 2005 11:23:42 GMT -5
Exactly teancum79 moses wasn't the sole author of the Torah.
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Post by teancum79 on Nov 4, 2005 12:15:16 GMT -5
Having someone finish off the record after he "died" (Some text indicate that God took him instead of dieing). Someone would have finished the recorded off.
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