Hyde Amendment unconstitutional?

[Tara]

No more Cracker Jacks jokes. I hate Cracker Jacks. (seriously)

[Sue]

Well personally guys, I could never give up a child for adoption--unless I was forced to of course. Just the idea of giving my own child away like that for someone else to take care of makes me ill. For me, this choice would be immoral (not that I am condemning other people who choose to put their children up for adoption, it's just that this is not for me).

Anyway, I found some sites I thought would be of interest to all:

www.adoptioninstitute.org/FactOverview/foster.html
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/20/60minutes/main710397.shtml

[moonchain]

teancum79 said:

The reason for concern for homosexuality in this particular issue is that they appear (smoke not fire, but worth a look) to molest children at a far higher rate.

If it was up to me every guy who molested a child would go under the knife and have his gentiles removed. It is not up to me, but when there is suggestive evidence that a homosexual man is up to 20X as likely to molest a child as a heterosexual man that is a problem.

Must've missed this: 20? Last I heard you were trying to argue for twice. Although, that may be another spelling error.

This also would add an interesting twist: adoption may not be so horrifying in numbers if gay couples were, in fact, allowed to adopt. And you aren't (at alllll) considering lesbian couples. You have yet to produce any evidence of connection between lesbianism and child molestation. (Any credible evidence, that is.)

I'm not sure if or where it is illegal for gay couples to adopt, but I'd be interesting in seeing the adoption rates for those particular areas versus areas where it isn't illegal.

(Not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand. )

[Mestemia]

As I understand it Florida is a state that does not allow for homosexuals (mae OR female) to adopt.
I hear tell Rosie O'Donnell is attempting to change that.

[teancum79]

All in all there is very little information on the negative impacts of female homosexuality. From conversations I’ve had with many people it seems to be less of a concern than males.

I’ve been posting all the relevant information on the subject. As I think I stated a few posts back. There is smoke some times that means there is a fire sometimes there is just smoke. I think there is enough evidence to justify more research in the area. However very few people are willing to contradict the “it’s okay to be gay” idea. I personally find it a bit disturbing that after many articles on the negative side of being gay back in the 80’s the subject has all but disappeared despite the large numbers of persons being openly gay now.

[Gangrene]

If a fetus does dream.... what would it be about? Cell division? That's about all the experience the fetus could draw on. Even after birth a child mixes all of its senses, it sees sound, and so on. Its complete lack of reason, logic, reality, and experience would make me think it is just some random firings of the nerve cells that will eventually create the brain.

[Sue]

Fetus not dreaming?

www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol23/vol23_iss15/13.html

[dianaholberg]

polytheist said:

We are not talking about children anyway, We are talking about fetus's.

Please show me a child that was never a fetus and I may consider entertaining your opinion on this matter... until then, I'll continue to view unborn children as my brothers and sisters.

[moonchain]

dianaholberg said:

Please show me a child that was never a fetus and I may consider entertaining your opinion on this matter... until then, I'll continue to view unborn children as my brothers and sisters.

Please show me a fetus that can eat, breathe, and process basic motor functions like a child and I may consider entertaining your opinion, which is an opinion and an emotional response rather than anything pertaining to science or nature. Thus it doesn't belong in the American courts.

[Mestemia]

moonchain said:

dianaholberg said:

Please show me a child that was never a fetus and I may consider entertaining your opinion on this matter... until then, I'll continue to view unborn children as my brothers and sisters.

Please show me a fetus that can eat, breathe, and process basic motor functions like a child and I may consider entertaining your opinion, which is an opinion and an emotional response rather than anything pertaining to science or nature. Thus it doesn't belong in the American courts.

Good response.
Arguing what the fetus will become is just bad politics since noone denies that a fetus turns into a child.

I especially find those who attempt to argue 'Gods Plan'.
They say things like: "Who are you to interfere with Gods Plan?" and "How do you know that fetus wasn't going to be the one who finds the cure for (insert some currently uncurable medical condition here)?"

Appeal to divinity arguments are always fun to point out, but the really interesting thing is how they claim that mere mortal man can wreck the plans of an oll knowing, all powerful deity.

[dianaholberg]

Just to clarify, I made no argument as to what a fetus will become. I made an argument as to what each here once was.

[Mestemia]

dianaholberg said:

Just to clarify, I made no argument as to what a fetus will become. I made an argument as to what each here once was.

And intelligent design is not creationism...

Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

[dianaholberg]

There's something wrong with bells? ;D