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Post by thesickgiraffe on Mar 20, 2005 17:32:14 GMT -5
I have a few questions for whoever to answer. This is mainly for people who acquire a lot of music over the internet.
Do you download music (If not, you probably shouldn't answer any more of the questions.)
Do you use a P2P program that is free?
If so, are you worried about how legal or illegal it is?
Do you buy music from the ITUNES Music store or use a paid service like Napster?
If none of those apply, where do you download music from?
Do you rip a lot of music off cd's?
Regardless of how you get music on the internet, how has it affected your musical preferences, if at all?
Has it expanded the genres and amount of music you enjoy listening to? Examples?
Do you still buy or have you ever bought CD's regularly?
Lastly, once you have downloaded your music, what do you with it?
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Post by dianaholberg on Mar 20, 2005 17:54:16 GMT -5
NO 10 (a little math humor)
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Post by littlepea on Mar 20, 2005 18:20:49 GMT -5
Do you download music (If not, you probably shouldn't answer any more of the questions.) yes yes no no sometimes, if one of my friends has a cd that i want. i dunno. if i didn't download music and spent more time in 2nd hand record shops i might have listened to different bands than what i download, but i couldn't say. definitely - i listen to bob marley, mogwai, children of bodom, steve vai, slipknot, vivaldi, primus, rachel stamp, capdown, less than jake ... endless amounts of random stuff no, i've never bought CDs on a regular basis, though nowadays i never buy a CD whereas in the past i would occaisionally buy one (like, once every 2 months at the most). keep it so i can listen to it whenever i want
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Post by thesickgiraffe on Mar 21, 2005 18:54:08 GMT -5
what do you guys know about how legal music sharing is? should it be this way?
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Post by moonchain on Mar 22, 2005 0:23:24 GMT -5
Do you download music Yes
Do you use a P2P program that is free? Yes
If so, are you worried about how legal or illegal it is? Not since the RIAA stopped suing. Plus, I am not a major hub of shared music. My DSL connection only allows for a certain amount of information to be traded at once.
Do you buy music from the ITUNES Music store or use a paid service like Napster? Nope
If none of those apply, where do you download music from? winmx or edonkey
Do you rip a lot of music off cd's? I wouldn't say *a lot*. I guess recently I've done it more from my own CD's so I can listen to certain songs on my computer (which is my main music player).
Regardless of how you get music on the internet, how has it affected your musical preferences, if at all? I have found that because of the Internet I have a pretty vast musical library. There are a lot of bands I wouldn't have even heard (though I may have heard *of* them) if it weren't for downloads. I miss Audiogalaxy, too. That used to be a great P2P source of new bands and interests for me.
Has it expanded the genres and amount of music you enjoy listening to? Examples? Definitely. There are certain songs from each genre that I don't normally like on my computer (rap, classical, country). I don't think I'd really buy CD's of the artists I've downloaded because I don't care for most of their work.
Do you still buy or have you ever bought CD's regularly? I used to buy CD's regularly. Nowadays I only buy sporadically and of independent artists that I wish to support.
Lastly, once you have downloaded your music, what do you with it? I keep it on my computer and listen to it through an mp3 player. I also have a little 256MB player that helps me pass the time when I go walking. Very occasionally, when inspired, I'll burn a mix.
what do you guys know about how legal music sharing is? should it be this way? I'm pretty sure it isn't very legal at all. I think it's kind of bunk since most bands (I said "most") get the greater part of their money from concerts and other sales. But I still support indie bands that I think should really have a shot by buying CD's. The part of me that got outraged at the whole "creative property theft" thing died a long time ago.
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Post by PhantomsPandora on Mar 22, 2005 0:58:30 GMT -5
Do you download music (If not, you probably shouldn't answer any more of the questions.) Yes
Do you use a P2P program that is free? ? I do use Winmx. Used to use Kazaa and Audiogalaxy, but Kazaa got to be a pain in the rear end. Audiogalaxy I do miss.
If so, are you worried about how legal or illegal it is? Not really.
Do you buy music from the ITUNES Music store or use a paid service like Napster? No.
If none of those apply, where do you download music from? Mostly from friends. We share a song or two that one of us likes.
Do you rip a lot of music off cd's? Only if they're very hard to find ones and my friend has tried very hard to find it.
Regardless of how you get music on the internet, how has it affected your musical preferences, if at all? It's really affected them..I've found a lot of stuff I"D NEVER HEAR ON THE BLINKING RADIO. I have listened to some great bands here and in Europe. And if I only like a song from a band, I dont' have tos pend all my money on a cd I'll probably end up not liking. Also, with a lot of imported cds it can be so expensive, and so can Broadway recordings. 40 dollars for 2cds is asking a lot.
Has it expanded the genres and amount of music you enjoy listening to? Examples? Yeah, it really has-like Within Temptation, Alessandro Safina, Nightwish, some Broadway shows I never would have been able to see or have never been put into film.
Do you still buy or have you ever bought CD's regularly? I do, but with the added benefit of listening to an artist first-I can pick and choose what albums are worth buying, and what might be just a cd I only download two or three things from.
Lastly, once you have downloaded your music, what do you with it? I keep it on the computer, share it with friends. I think this helps the artist out as well, and expands their fanbase-especially in the case of European groups that might never tour here, and I have the hardest time finding their cds.
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Post by littlepea on Mar 22, 2005 8:30:08 GMT -5
in the UK they're only after the big uploaders, they don't really care if you download music illegally. of course, with these p2p programs sometimes you're forced to upload, and i still do, but if i start seeing people around me getting lifted for it then i'll just click the option in kazaa to stop sharing.
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Post by Amalcas on Mar 22, 2005 21:46:54 GMT -5
Hmmmm....mostly I rip my CD's to my computer so I don't have to find them to play them. I only download a song from the internet if its stuck in my head, and I can't otherwise find it. Currently tally: about 20 hours of downloaded music. This would be because I can have up to three songs stuck in my head at once. Plus, a number are duplicates (of varying quality). Guilty, as ever, as charged.
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Post by littlepea on Mar 23, 2005 11:34:08 GMT -5
i have 245 hours of music on my computer, though some of that is ripped from CDs. not CDs that i own myself, but CDs that i've borrowed from friends, ripped, and given back - probably still not legal but i haven't downloaded it
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Post by thesickgiraffe on Apr 21, 2005 10:25:33 GMT -5
If you don't download music, why not? Its free, its easy, and there's only a minimal chance you'll get caught. So, why not?
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Post by Amalcas on Apr 21, 2005 19:30:59 GMT -5
Integrity and/or paranoia.
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Post by littlepea on Apr 21, 2005 21:28:23 GMT -5
the people that have been caught have been fined 10s of thousands of pounds, so it's no laughing matter, however there's only been about 30 cases in the UK - 30 out of 60 million isn't very many, i guess that's why they're more concerned about uploaders ... for now ... i know not all 60 million will be on the internet and not all of them will be downloading music, but i'd guess that 40 million people have regular access to the internet and maybe half of them download music - 40 million sounds a lot but the government has been promoting computer use for years, their plan was to get a computer in every home around britain by 2010 or something, and i think more than half the homes around the UK have internet access. someone with more of an interest can go and look up the figures if they want, i'm not really that bothered i'm wondering how they figure out how much to fine them - do they charge you the cost of a CD single for every song you upload? that isn't really fair because it's not a CD that has been illegally transferred, it's an mp3, so surely they could only charge the cost of getting the mp3 legally from the internet - about 25p for a song or something? maybe the defence could make the Crown (or in america, the State) go and look up the price for downloading each and every mp3 uploaded, i'm sure they wouldn't enjoy doing that for 10,000+ mp3s ;D at that, even my collection of songs (over 3000 - perhaps 2/3s of that have been downloaded) would be worth about £500 ... i don't think i've uploaded as many as i have downloaded either, so probably not more than that ... if i were defending these people in court that would be my argument - guilty, but not that guilty (the "yes, but" defence) PS. IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS: there are 3 basic defences in law - the "no i didn't" defence: the prosecution's case is factually wrong; the "so what?" defence: the prosecution's case is legally wrong; and the "yes, but" defence: the prosecution's case is factually and legally correct but they have missed out some crucial information which is helpful to the defence ... who said i never studied? ;D
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Post by Amalcas on Apr 22, 2005 21:44:13 GMT -5
Well, for an uploader you have to consider that they are not producing one illegal mp3 per song, but infact hundreds. Not being overly familiar with UK monetary systems, I'll have to leave the calculations to you, but I think charging the price of a CD for a song may, in actuality, be giving the uploader a break (hundreds is even assuming light traffic -- I know a site which I would not be surprised to have downloads in the millions).
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Post by littlepea on Apr 23, 2005 14:13:24 GMT -5
actually, i've thought about it a bit more and i think i know where they're getting their large fines from ...
if you go into a shop and get caught stealing a can of cola you'll be fined more then 50p (or however much a can of cola costs in the US) to punish you for doing wrong, so i guess it's a similar thing with this stuff. the fine goes to the state, not to the record companies, so they can fine you however much they want, i suppose
what site are you talking about? i thought you could only really get mp3s and videos etc. from p2p programs without paying for them?
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Post by Amalcas on Apr 23, 2005 21:16:51 GMT -5
There are a number of sites on which individuals (or groups) upload songs for illicit download. Videos, I believe, are considerably less common (as most rent bandwidth; they have either miniscule bandwidth, or pay out the wazoo for it). These get cracked down on as they are found (but I imagine not as often, considering they don't need to [openly] attract a large crowd to be viable). I know one tallying 3,991 downloadable files, roughly all of which are illegally provided.
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